Undocumented Creatives: We Build the Brand but It Wasn’t Built For Us.

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I saw that TikTok.

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And I wanted to ask about that.

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What happened?

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Okay, first of all, maybe we should introduce you for a little bit.

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Hi, Miriam.

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Okay, when I introduce myself in Spanish, it's America Castillo.

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So how do you introduce yourself in Spanish?

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Miriam.

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Miriam.

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Yeah.

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Sorry, Miriam Fruzzo?

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Yeah, like exactly like how you see it written.

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It's the same, the same thing.

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I love it.

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I love it.

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Yeah.

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So this is going to be a fun conversation because I think, well, you and I are experiencing literally the same thing and we're in the same industry.

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And it's I think we're both being affected by this because everything right now is like changing and it's all over the place.

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So let's start.

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Tell me a little bit.

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Tell us a little bit more about yourself.

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Why did you choose journalism?

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I mean, I met you in my podcasting class.

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What made you want to be in this field?

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So I have always been a firm believer that journalists are the watchdog of space.

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the people and that they have the power to shape public opinion.

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So, you know, growing up here in the U.S.

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and what is it, like 20, over 20 years that I've been here now, like I've seen how journalism has changed very slowly the way that immigrants, especially undocumented immigrants, are depicted.

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And I wanted to be in a position where I was like, I want to be part of that narrative because I know that the way that our communities are being portrayed right now, that's not who we are.

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In fact, if you look at stats, most crimes get committed by U.S.

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citizens.

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So it's like, where are you getting your information from?

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Like, please show me the numbers before you go and speak badly about my community.

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Yeah, I think one of the reasons you and I were able to kind of relate right away is because we both have DACA, right?

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You still have DACA?

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Yeah, I do.

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Yeah.

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When did you come to the United States?

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I was like nine years old when I got here.

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So, you know, I was a little child.

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Like I had no idea what was going on when I came here.

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Yeah.

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Do you remember any of it?

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I do remember when my mom...

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Because my dad was already in the US.

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So we drove to an airport and then we met a couple.

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It was a man and a woman.

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And they were just like, okay, you and your sister are going to go over with a couple and then they're going to drive you across and you'll meet with your dad in a few hours.

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Honestly, compared to...

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other people's experiences.

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I want to say mine was a really positive one.

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Both the guy and the lady were extremely nice to us.

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You know, they were very caring.

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They were making sure that we were okay, not just physically, but like emotionally as much as they could reassuring us, like, you know, it'll be okay.

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You're going to meet your dad in a few hours.

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We were traveling alongside with the baby.

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So I can only imagine what that mom felt like having to give up her baby to like, to strangers but overall it was like I don't want to say it was a nice experience because I still have a lot of negative emotions towards that because of what I did see like going across you see all of these crosses which I came to find out later were of people that had died crossing the border and I'm just like how is how is there so much death and like no one's thought to look at the bigger picture and be like what can we do to prevent this like how can we facilitate you always hear come the legal way but like Have you tried making that a possibility?

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So it was a mix of emotions.

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It was good, but it was also bad because of what I remember seeing.

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And I forgot to ask, but where is your family from?

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So we're from Saguayo, Michoacan.

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Okay.

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Which is, you know, I love the food.

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That's the one thing that I'm just like, I love that food.

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And something that was...

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Well, but that was a dumb question.

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I'm going to ask the same question that everybody asks me.

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Oh, have you ever gotten a chance to go back?

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And I was like, sir, I just explained my status.

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When you crossed the border, did you ever go through like a bit of a silent phase, like where you just didn't talk?

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Yeah.

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So we actually crossed overnight.

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So we have been given like the alias we were posing as this couple's three younger children.

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And the lady was like, hey, like, you know, we gave you guys the alias.

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However, it would be preferred if you just like pretended to be asleep, which made it super easy because we were crossing in the middle of the night.

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So like ultimately I ended up just falling asleep.

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I remember like roughly waking up while we were closed.

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Like a phone had rang and it was the other mom from the baby.

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And she was just like, hey, how's my baby?

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The lady's like, your baby's fine.

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You know, I do have to let you go because we're approaching the actual crossing.

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So like, I don't want to be on the phone.

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And when she said that, I was like, OK, I'm gonna go back to sleep.

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I closed my eyes.

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I was like, OK, I have no business being awake right now.

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So it was like it was quiet, but it was it was also at night.

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So it felt somewhat normal.

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Yeah.

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And at what moment did you realize like what was happening?

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Like, OK, this is what's happening.

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I'm crossing the border.

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Or was that not even crossing?

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Like, were you not even aware of what was happening?

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And no, see, I didn't I didn't know why we were doing this.

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I knew we were moving to a different country, but I didn't understand why it had to be that way.

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Like I could I couldn't understand why we couldn't just all get on a bus or get on a and like drive over and then meet my dad.

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It was just weird to me that it had to be done in that way.

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So it was a little bit scary.

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But I was like, I was really excited to see my dad after, you know, like about a year and a half of not seeing him.

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So that was the thing on my mind.

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I was just excited to see my dad.

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I didn't know we were like not supposed to be doing that.

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Yeah, no, I don't think any of us are kind of aware.

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What about your first night in the U.S.?

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Like, do you remember your first night in the U.S.?

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?

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your first, when you finally came here, do you remember that feeling of?

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Yeah, so I think we got here around like 3 a.m.

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So, you know, we drove to this person's home, which was a beautiful, beautiful home.

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The lady was like, hey, feel free to go into one of the bedrooms if you feel more comfortable.

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If you want to stay out here, we're going to wait for your dad.

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I just ended up staying out with them.

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And then a few hours later, my dad shows up.

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And at that point, it's like we're all...

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And I'm sorry.

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I'm tearing up right now.

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We're all in tears at that point.

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It was just a very, very emotional moment.

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Yeah.

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You know, the couple kind of stepped down and they just let my dad and us have our moment of just reconnecting with each other.

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And then afterwards they were like, OK, well, here's the remaining because basically like they paid half up front.

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And then my dad handed over the remaining half for us to be there.

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At that point, we were just I was I just remember being really sleepy, but like being excited that I was there.

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We drove over to my aunt's house and then we had to wait like another 24 hours for my mom to cross because she didn't cross with us.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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So do you guys cross alone or?

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Yeah, it was just, um, that couple that was crossing us, myself, my sister, and then another baby.

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Um, cause we were posting as our kids.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Uh, wow.

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And what was your, um, no, that's, I get it.

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I, same.

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I, well, mine was like, I just crossed alone.

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My mom was already here, but, um, that's, little baby similar stories yeah but little um I was gonna say and what was okay so then you got here and what was your what do you feel like your experience growing up in the United States has been like especially you you grew up in the valley um I grew up outside of the valley in Burbank so it was I mean it still is a predominantly white neighborhood so I was out of my entire like When I got here, I got here when I was nine.

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By the time it was time to enroll in school, I was already 10.

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So I enrolled in fifth grade.

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It was really tough.

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Like that first year was probably the toughest year I've ever experienced because I didn't have anybody else that spoke Spanish other than my sister.

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But because she's like four years younger than me, we weren't, you know, we didn't have races together.

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So at first, I was the only Spanish speaker in my entire life.

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school not even just like class well outside of my sister um and they would send me to like ELD classes which is you know to like learn English um I don't think those classes helped a lot or at all the lady was actually really mean I know I was like what's happening here yeah so it's like um eventually two more kids who one of them was also undocumented I came to find out later um enrolled in that same school and we kind of just I kind of just started hanging out with them because it was like I don't I can't talk to the rest of the kids and that's just kind of how that first year played out towards the end of the year I remember understanding the language but not being able to speak and I recall this because it was like promotion or graduation from like fifth grade and I had gone to get like you know those body condresses that you know fit like not tight but like you know, sort of tight.

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So I remember we were getting in line to go to lunch, and then the teacher that I had in fifth grade, mind you, I was 10.

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She had no business making this comment to a 10-year-old.

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She was like, girls, don't eat too much because your bellies are going to pop out of your dresses.

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Oh, my God.

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And I was just like, ma'am.

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Like, you know, back then, my first reaction was like, suck it in.

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Yeah, that was my reaction.

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Like, oh, my God, suck it in.

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Mind you, I was I was also like a heavier child growing up.

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But now that I think about it as an adult, I'm like, OK, that that was totally uncalled for as a fifth grader.

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You had no business.

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Yeah, I know.

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That was such a crazy time.

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Like just growing up, I just feel like everybody was always that like they didn't have a like they didn't have a filter when it came down to anybody's weight comments.

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Yeah.

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It was insane.

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Sorry.

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Somebody was walking.

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I was walking and I got distracted at the same time, making sure that they didn't hear what was like, what was I going to say?

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We were kind of distracted.

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I don't know.

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We were just like talking about like the first, like first years being here.

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Oh yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Because that was going to be my next, okay.

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Different times.

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That was leaning into my next question.

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Okay.

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You, Okay, you're a little bit older than me, right?

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Like not that far, but a little bit older, which means you...

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Hold on, how do I write this?

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I got DACA like right when I turned 17, which I feel like I got lucky because it was like one of those things where it was like, oh my God, I'm getting out of high school and finally get my work permit.

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So I don't really have to deal with all the legal complications that come after high school.

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But I'm assuming because of the time in the year that you may have had to deal with a little bit of that.

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Yeah.

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Can you explain like the differences of what you've seen, how much the conversation of DACA has changed from your perspective?

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Because it was a different time.

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Like, you know, there was a bunch of kids who got caught up when DACA passed in 2012.

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Yeah.

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Everybody thinks like, oh, DACA is just like this.

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Everybody can get it.

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And it's, you know, there were some people that the ages, they just didn't fit.

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From your point, from your perspective, how have you seen DACA and the conversation grow in the media?

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So firstly, I think people don't understand that there's a lot outside of like, law-abiding issues, there were a lot of requirements.

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I mean, you had to have graduated, if I'm not correct, from a U.S.

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high school.

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You had to have proof that you had been residing here before a specific year.

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I don't recall the year off the top of my head.

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And I believe you had to be under 27, which, you know, as somebody who's about to turn 32, I feel like that's a really, like, why are you cutting people off at 27?

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Actually, why is there a cutoff As long as people meet the requirements, they should be able to apply, in my opinion.

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Because again, we're trying to do things the right way.

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So when I turned 18, DACA was not a thing yet.

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I turned 18 in 2011.

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So I graduated high school.

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And obviously, you start thinking, well, what am I going to do with my life?

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I went and got myself a fake green card.

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And I just want to like for the record, this fake ring card and Social Security is not stealing anybody's identity.

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They are two separate things.

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This is a set of numbers that does not exist and does not belong to anyone.

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So just for the record, for the record, guys, it is not the same as identity theft.

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Yeah.

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So, you know, I went and got and that was a very like weird process because it's one of those like if you know, you know, like people will be like, hey, do you need a passport photo?

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And then be like, yeah, I need a passport photo.

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And then they give you like a keyword where you go into like a random store and then they take you to the back and you get a picture.

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And, you know, after a few hours, there you go.

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You had a green card and a social security number.

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Yeah.

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So, you know, that's how I started working.

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Like, I'm not going to lie and say I've never done that.

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Like, yeah, that's what I had to do.

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So the weird thing for me was that, you know, after I got that, I was able to get a job at like pizza restaurants.

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And then 2012 came around when I got my DACA.

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So it was so weird for me to have to go up to my employer and be like, hey, I need you to change my social security number.

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Yeah.

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I actually don't have a green card.

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But the fact that he was so chill about it kind of told me it was one of those words like, it's unspoken, but you know.

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Yeah.

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Like, you know, clearly these are real documents.

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Yeah.

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Which you can add on to the current climate right now.

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It's like everybody's going out after people who are working with false documents or no documents.

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But like nobody's really persecuting the employers.

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And I'm not talking about your mom and pop shop.

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I'm talking about those like multimillion dollar companies like, you know, hotels, farmers.

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Like, yeah, you're taking their employers, their employees away.

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But like.

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That's it.

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There are no consequences.

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So it just kind of adds on where it's like now that we have this permit, you know, we've been able to get different jobs that are better paying, where we don't have to face harassment or as much discrimination.

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Like, you know, discrimination is still a thing, but we have a protection against it.

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And I kind of think that's kind of where the conversation shifted.

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Before it used to be just like, oh, allow these kids to work.

00:15:42.635 --> 00:15:50.519
Now it's just like, These kids are or adults now, you know, in our case, these kids, these kids are part of that economy.

00:15:50.580 --> 00:15:56.927
There are adults in health care and teaching and all sorts of different jobs like they're business owners.

00:15:57.128 --> 00:15:57.368
I did.

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I did my thesis and I interviewed about like 10 business owners on their journey.

00:16:02.813 --> 00:16:07.038
And some of them started out as undocumented and still are undocumented.

00:16:07.057 --> 00:16:12.104
Others, you know, got married or got citizenship through some other kind of way.

00:16:12.604 --> 00:16:13.806
But it's like ultimately.

00:16:14.529 --> 00:16:16.455
It's a huge stepping stone.

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DACA is and has been a huge stepping stone.

00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:25.576
And the fact that there are people that aren't able to get it right now, it's just beyond concerning.

00:16:25.615 --> 00:16:27.200
Yeah, no.

00:16:27.240 --> 00:16:32.533
And Because that was my next topic was college and grad school.

00:16:32.794 --> 00:16:33.554
It's not easy.

00:16:33.936 --> 00:16:43.866
I think everybody assumes, especially because I feel like usually it's the media that is always presenting like, oh, all of these dreamers are getting all these scholarships.

00:16:44.006 --> 00:16:54.437
At least that's how it's like from, I'm assuming from the white perspective, it looks like we're getting all these scholarships just kind of handed out to us.

00:16:55.460 --> 00:17:02.977
And we know that it doesn't, What was your experience getting into college?

00:17:03.018 --> 00:17:14.726
When it came to the finances, when it came to the support system, because we usually need a better support system, what was your experience with all of that?

00:17:15.137 --> 00:17:18.362
So because of the cost, I actually started out in community college.

00:17:18.382 --> 00:17:20.025
I started out at LABC.

00:17:20.065 --> 00:17:27.134
For the first year and a half, I had no idea that there was any sort of financial relief available to us.

00:17:27.674 --> 00:17:32.121
Anytime I would ask about it, they were just like, sorry, kid, we don't know how to help you.

00:17:32.141 --> 00:17:33.962
So I was paying out of pocket.

00:17:34.083 --> 00:17:46.484
I was working full time making like At most, I was making like$8.50,$9, and using all of that money to pay for a few classes at my community college.

00:17:47.046 --> 00:17:53.653
It was until the last semester that I was there that the counselor was like, okay, well, you're about to graduate.

00:17:53.933 --> 00:17:55.275
Are you planning to attend a four-year?

00:17:55.295 --> 00:17:56.757
And then I kind of explained my situation.

00:17:56.817 --> 00:17:58.239
He was like, oh, no, don't worry.

00:17:58.278 --> 00:17:59.921
He's like, go to the Dream Center.

00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:01.541
They're located at this location.

00:18:01.583 --> 00:18:02.604
They can help you out.

00:18:02.703 --> 00:18:06.523
And it was then that I found out like, oh, I can get some sort of help.

00:18:06.924 --> 00:18:07.605
And it's not help.

00:18:07.726 --> 00:18:11.691
They're not actively depositing thousands of dollars into my account.

00:18:12.050 --> 00:18:14.354
What they're doing is they're just waiving the tuition fee.

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That's all I qualified for at that point.

00:18:17.077 --> 00:18:20.903
Which, if you think about it, is not a lot for somebody making$9 an hour.

00:18:20.923 --> 00:18:26.329
But it still made a huge difference because then I would only have to pay for the books.

00:18:28.311 --> 00:18:32.837
So then eventually I transitioned into CSUN for my bachelor's and I just...

00:18:33.185 --> 00:18:37.710
They were like, hey, you have two years to complete the program, even though our program was like two and a half years.

00:18:38.151 --> 00:18:46.878
I just kind of had to take extra classes to make sure that I didn't run out of that aid because they were only going to waive my fees for those two years.

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And that's how I was able to get my education.

00:18:50.762 --> 00:18:58.329
But like everything book-wise or any other materials that were needed, that was out of my pocket to pay for.

00:18:58.349 --> 00:19:04.435
And the thing that changes is when you get to grad school, That's no longer a thing.

00:19:04.476 --> 00:19:14.374
So for my grad school, I was able to get my fees waived for the first semester because I had been unemployed because of COVID.

00:19:15.375 --> 00:19:15.997
Okay.

00:19:16.017 --> 00:19:17.439
So they were able to waive it.

00:19:17.479 --> 00:19:21.566
But for the second, third and fourth semester, I'm paying out of pocket.

00:19:22.106 --> 00:19:25.413
I had to take out a loan during my last semester that I'm paying back, which...

00:19:25.953 --> 00:19:28.037
you know, it's really tough right now because I'm unemployed.

00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:30.560
We'll get to that.

00:19:32.223 --> 00:19:40.017
So it's like, you know, it's not what certain media outlets paint it out to be.

00:19:40.057 --> 00:19:43.221
We're not getting all of these thousands of dollars and all of this help.

00:19:43.281 --> 00:20:19.281
We're getting very like minimal help that somewhat allows us to enter these spaces that are not really meant for us or were not designed for people like us to come into it's just giving us a little bit of an opportunity to better ourselves and better our lives for not just us but future generations yeah and then um do you feel like you had enough resources in high school to help you with getting into college or like just like even in college do you feel like the People that were supposed to be helping you were helping you.

00:20:19.923 --> 00:20:25.432
For example, for me, it did take until I went to the Dream Center for me to actually start getting more help.

00:20:25.834 --> 00:20:35.109
I feel like when I was going to other counselors, I wasn't being taken as seriously or it was more like, oh, you know this.

00:20:35.171 --> 00:20:39.178
And then finally, someone also redirected me, hey, the Dream Center.

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And then I was able to get help.

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Uh, do you, did you go through that?

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Like either in high school and community college where you felt like, okay, I'm getting frustrated because I'm not like, I don't feel like I'm getting like the right direction and to find someone.

00:20:52.849 --> 00:20:57.586
So I actually took a, uh, long break after high school from college.

00:20:57.948 --> 00:20:59.430
I did not go directly into college.

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When I went and asked my high school counselor, I was like, hey, initially I wanted to be a nurse.

00:21:05.422 --> 00:21:05.962
I don't know why.

00:21:06.242 --> 00:21:07.305
I was like, I'm going to be a nurse.

00:21:08.587 --> 00:21:14.492
So I went and asked her about like, you know, what are some things like Every other 12th grader was going in there during that time.

00:21:14.512 --> 00:21:16.836
It was like, OK, what colleges are you going to go to?

00:21:16.935 --> 00:21:17.777
What do you have an idea?

00:21:17.817 --> 00:21:18.878
What do you want to do with your life?

00:21:18.919 --> 00:21:21.903
And I just went in there and she was very blunt about it.

00:21:21.923 --> 00:21:24.685
She was just like, well, I don't really see you going into college.

00:21:24.726 --> 00:21:28.391
Like people like you don't really go into college.

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And that kind of just like she made she made the choice for me right then and there.

00:21:34.114 --> 00:21:37.518
I wasn't given the choice of, I wasn't even told like, hey, you can go.

00:21:37.577 --> 00:21:39.359
It's going to be extra difficult, but you can go.

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Like she had made it clearly that I wasn't going to go.

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So after that, you know, I just, I didn't go.

00:21:45.146 --> 00:21:47.130
I just started working minimum wage jobs.

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And it wasn't until a few years later that I was talking to a former manager and he was like, no, he's like, you shouldn't let that stop you.

00:21:54.699 --> 00:22:01.578
He was actually like my former manager at that pizza restaurant was a person that really encouraged me to just, Get back in there.

00:22:01.618 --> 00:22:03.901
He's like, just go get some information.

00:22:03.941 --> 00:22:06.702
Start with a few classes like, you know, you could do this.

00:22:06.763 --> 00:22:07.423
I believe in you.

00:22:07.443 --> 00:22:12.848
So it's like I had no support in high school in regards to higher education.

00:22:12.888 --> 00:22:14.570
Yeah, I know.

00:22:14.671 --> 00:22:22.638
I always bring that up because I know that there's I'm sure there's a ton of other, you know, Latinos in high school who probably also feel like, hey, wait a minute.

00:22:22.959 --> 00:22:24.961
I also want to go to school, but where's the help?

00:22:24.980 --> 00:22:30.185
OK, so now let's get into it, because you recently just graduated and then.

00:22:31.074 --> 00:23:02.240
lost her job like the next day and then so now we can actually get into losing our job during this time and how we feel because that's how I know I forgot to do a check-in how are you oh I mean honestly like I feel like I just got hit with a brick so it went from being like the highest of highs you know walking across the age to like the lowest of lows of being unemployed so about two weeks prior to me being let go my Former colleague, because she was also let go.

00:23:02.820 --> 00:23:05.965
She was like, hey, I want to start an agency and I've seen your work.

00:23:06.227 --> 00:23:11.515
And like, if I got some clients, would you be interested in helping me out with like doing social media work?

00:23:11.974 --> 00:23:12.635
And I was like, sure.

00:23:12.695 --> 00:23:14.920
I was like, you know, I could always use a little bit extra money.

00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:17.002
So she started this agency.

00:23:17.042 --> 00:23:17.282
Right.

00:23:18.204 --> 00:23:22.611
She was like, let me get a picture of you so I could put it like, you know, for for reference for people.

00:23:23.251 --> 00:23:27.157
And then I don't know how HR department found out about it.

00:23:27.178 --> 00:23:29.481
And that's the reason they let us go.

00:23:30.402 --> 00:23:32.285
They were like, it's a conflict of interest.

00:23:33.086 --> 00:23:35.608
And I'm just sitting here like, how is it a conflict of interest?

00:23:35.628 --> 00:23:38.011
You're a multimillion dollar company and hospitality.

00:23:39.173 --> 00:23:41.917
I'm one person with like$3,000 in my bank account.

00:23:43.759 --> 00:23:44.821
It's not the same, right?

00:23:45.422 --> 00:23:53.794
And the reason I say that today it feels like I got hit with a brick is after we got let go, I applied for unemployment here in California.

00:23:54.529 --> 00:23:55.590
We're lucky to have that.

00:23:55.631 --> 00:23:56.673
So I was like, it's not the same.

00:23:56.732 --> 00:23:59.055
It's like 50% of what you would normally be making.

00:23:59.095 --> 00:24:00.196
But I was like, it's something, right?

00:24:00.237 --> 00:24:05.923
I got off the call with the unemployment department and they were like, hey, you actually, you got denied.

00:24:06.503 --> 00:24:08.287
Your job is saying that you were...

00:24:11.891 --> 00:24:13.251
It's not breaking company policy.

00:24:13.333 --> 00:24:15.295
It's some other thing.

00:24:15.315 --> 00:24:15.875
Let me see.

00:24:15.895 --> 00:24:16.355
I have it.

00:24:16.375 --> 00:24:18.479
I have it somewhere right here.

00:24:18.519 --> 00:24:20.862
Because again...

00:24:21.826 --> 00:24:25.789
Again, both my boss and I are from a misconduct.

00:24:26.971 --> 00:24:29.933
So he's like, yeah, because you guys got like go for misconduct.

00:24:29.953 --> 00:24:31.695
And I was like, well, can you explain that a little bit?

00:24:32.276 --> 00:24:36.881
Um, cause again, I didn't work on company time on any personal projects.

00:24:37.442 --> 00:24:39.503
Uh, we currently have no personal projects.

00:24:40.183 --> 00:24:41.986
So like, there's no, there's no income.

00:24:42.366 --> 00:24:43.928
Um, I didn't use any of their tech.

00:24:44.269 --> 00:24:45.250
I didn't use any of their equipment.

00:24:45.289 --> 00:24:48.772
Like I have my own laptop, my own phone, my own, you know, selfie light.

00:24:49.192 --> 00:24:52.000
Um, So like, where's this coming from?

00:24:52.059 --> 00:24:55.083
They're like, well, you know, at this point, like the decision has been made.

00:24:55.103 --> 00:25:02.112
You're going to get a letter in the mail and then you're welcome to apply for what is that called?

00:25:02.291 --> 00:25:02.712
An appeal.

00:25:02.752 --> 00:25:08.599
And then like once you file for an appeal, it'll be sent to a judge instead of the unemployment office.

00:25:08.619 --> 00:25:24.354
So I guess that the person that made the choice and saw us apparently being an issue was somebody at the unemployment office, which not to throw any shade, but I'm like, How am I qualified to make that choice?

00:25:24.413 --> 00:25:27.497
Or like, you know, anybody just like, but like, what are their qualifications?

00:25:27.537 --> 00:25:35.044
So like, now I'm having to wait for this appeal to see if they would give me unemployment because based on them, it was misconduct.

00:25:35.184 --> 00:25:37.346
But I'm like, I never signed any non-competes.

00:25:37.866 --> 00:25:40.250
And in California, non-competes are not even a thing.

00:25:40.269 --> 00:25:43.653
They have banned them a while back.

00:25:45.674 --> 00:25:47.957
Deep down to my core, I feel like this was just...

00:25:48.961 --> 00:25:50.464
A reason to get rid of me.

00:25:50.484 --> 00:25:50.545
Yay.

00:25:52.209 --> 00:25:56.759
Real quick, for those who may not know what a non-compete is, what is a non-compete?

00:25:56.778 --> 00:26:04.916
So a non-compete basically says that if I work for company A doing marketing, I cannot go work for company B and do marketing.

00:26:05.473 --> 00:26:07.154
Because they're competing against each other.

00:26:35.440 --> 00:26:41.546
half of their employees get fired because most of them do have two jobs doing the same thing, just setting up their property.

00:26:41.665 --> 00:26:47.451
And that's when the guy goes, he's like, well, yeah, that's why you have to take it to an appeals court and like actually see a judge.

00:26:48.432 --> 00:26:49.153
I'm like, great.

00:26:49.814 --> 00:26:50.454
Oh my God.

00:26:52.656 --> 00:26:54.038
All of these things.

00:26:54.759 --> 00:26:58.143
And you, you work in influencer marketing, right?

00:26:59.144 --> 00:26:59.584
Yes, I do.

00:27:00.805 --> 00:27:00.986
Yeah.

00:27:01.846 --> 00:27:24.058
With everything going on right now, like how, what do you, first of all, what, like about influencer marketing what frustrates you about influencer marketing and where do you see the future of influencer marketing now that you have you guys are going to start your own agency So honestly, like that's not something I had ever thought about.

00:27:24.118 --> 00:27:28.952
It was just we started doing it and for my former employer.

00:27:28.992 --> 00:27:31.078
And that's where my boss was like, wow, you're really great at this.

00:27:31.098 --> 00:27:36.334
So it's a lot of just relations like going back and forth, emailing back and forth, going over.

00:27:37.089 --> 00:27:39.574
Honestly, it's not something that was in my plans.

00:27:39.653 --> 00:27:43.859
Again, I really wanted to be a journalist, but it's really tough in LA.

00:27:44.040 --> 00:27:45.643
I'm a little fish in a big pond.

00:27:45.843 --> 00:27:49.990
And this was an opportunity that I was like, you know what, let me take it.

00:27:50.029 --> 00:27:51.412
Like, I see potential in this.

00:27:51.771 --> 00:28:00.586
Also, Daka being on the line, being your own boss is really, you know, like, that's your only option if Daka gets killed.

00:28:02.228 --> 00:28:04.771
You know, that's so true for people.

00:28:04.872 --> 00:28:08.517
Like, that's another thing, like, Nobody wants to sponsor.

00:28:08.757 --> 00:28:10.901
Again, my former manager had asked this company.

00:28:11.121 --> 00:28:13.724
Mind you, I was at this company for over 10 years.

00:28:14.606 --> 00:28:16.148
I had never been written up.

00:28:16.288 --> 00:28:18.011
I had never had any verbal warnings.

00:28:18.071 --> 00:28:22.660
I had never so much as left a dirty cup on a table.

00:28:24.834 --> 00:28:26.898
And when she was like, hey, I really want to sponsor Miriam.

00:28:26.919 --> 00:28:27.641
Like, she's really great.

00:28:27.701 --> 00:28:28.303
And we're like, no.

00:28:28.343 --> 00:28:37.085
And then like now being fired, it just it brought up a lot of emotions as to like, I see why Gen Z reacts the way they do when they say like, oh, you know, fuck companies.

00:28:37.506 --> 00:28:38.667
Excuse my language.

00:28:38.688 --> 00:28:39.269
You can blur that

00:28:40.109 --> 00:28:40.371
out.

00:28:41.531 --> 00:28:41.653
No.

00:28:41.752 --> 00:28:42.713
It makes

00:28:43.134 --> 00:28:45.137
sense though.

00:28:45.157 --> 00:28:49.846
And like as a millennial, yeah, I was told like, you know, be loyal to the company.

00:28:49.905 --> 00:28:50.807
Stay with one company.

00:28:50.826 --> 00:28:51.909
Like it's going to pay off.

00:28:52.490 --> 00:29:02.205
And not only did I get fired for like trying to make extra money, but then they went and denied my unemployment claim because they felt that that was misconduct.

00:29:02.753 --> 00:29:04.336
It really shows you.

00:29:04.396 --> 00:29:09.045
And I have been going into this company every day and hearing managers be like, we value you.

00:29:09.065 --> 00:29:09.865
We love you.

00:29:09.885 --> 00:29:10.748
You are great.

00:29:10.788 --> 00:29:11.489
You're amazing.

00:29:11.528 --> 00:29:12.750
We're lucky to have you on our team.

00:29:12.770 --> 00:29:17.659
And it's like, I was nominated this past year for like employee of the year.

00:29:17.700 --> 00:29:18.500
Yeah.

00:29:18.601 --> 00:29:19.281
Oh, congratulations.

00:29:19.762 --> 00:29:20.064
Yeah.

00:29:20.104 --> 00:29:23.108
So it's like, where is all that now?

00:29:23.128 --> 00:29:24.069
Where's that love?

00:29:24.171 --> 00:29:25.593
No, that, no, I...

00:29:26.433 --> 00:29:27.474
It was the same way.

00:29:27.895 --> 00:29:37.189
You sent me a voice memo a couple weeks ago, and I remember listening to it, and I was like, wait, are we dealing with the same thing right now?

00:29:37.288 --> 00:29:41.935
Because how is it that we're going through it?

00:29:41.976 --> 00:29:52.089
Because in my case, really quick, I started working as a bartender, and they were like, oh...

00:29:52.834 --> 00:30:02.269
Well, by then, the head brewer and the bar manager were really emphasizing that they were not happy with the way that their marketing manager was handling their account.

00:30:03.171 --> 00:30:05.714
I was already taking a marketing class during that time.

00:30:05.734 --> 00:30:09.442
And you know how in class, sometimes you're just like, oh...

00:30:10.018 --> 00:30:11.660
Check out this page and see what you know.

00:30:11.700 --> 00:30:20.269
So I was just like, oh, yeah, like, you know, your page is one of those kind of pages that I kind of like look through in class and just nothing, literally nothing serious.

00:30:20.369 --> 00:30:37.954
I was just me going through like every page I knew through like a class assignment and was like, OK, I can, you know, doing my homework assignment and just casually like talking about this at the bar or being like, yeah, like I'm taking a marketing class right now because when I got hired, I was in the process of like ending my that marketing class.

00:30:38.516 --> 00:30:46.586
And so through a conversation with the head brewer and the bar manager, they find out that I'm an artist.

00:30:47.027 --> 00:30:51.593
And so they're like, oh, well, are you good at editing?

00:30:51.633 --> 00:30:53.756
And I'm like, yeah, I know how to edit.

00:30:54.477 --> 00:30:58.461
Editing is not like my, I don't know how you all do it, but editing is not my thing.

00:30:58.521 --> 00:31:00.904
I know you have to really sit down and be focused, right?

00:31:01.224 --> 00:31:03.048
But I can do it, you know what I mean?

00:31:03.087 --> 00:31:04.829
And I'm like, yeah, I know how to do it.

00:31:05.122 --> 00:31:06.904
Like I know how to do that.

00:31:06.924 --> 00:31:08.968
I can construct like a story.

00:31:09.067 --> 00:31:10.150
You can tell me blah, blah, blah.

00:31:10.210 --> 00:31:16.137
Like I have the ideas, but I'm also at the same time, like I'm the same way.

00:31:16.239 --> 00:31:18.521
Like I didn't sign up to be a marketer.

00:31:18.883 --> 00:31:19.482
You know what I mean?

00:31:19.523 --> 00:31:22.228
I went into this field.

00:31:22.848 --> 00:31:23.630
What did I go?

00:31:23.650 --> 00:31:32.282
Well, when I started like journalism, my, I don't, my goal was like, yes, obviously I want to be there for the people and everything.

00:31:32.403 --> 00:31:36.881
But also it was like, I, I don't know, want to work in entertainment at the same time.

00:31:36.941 --> 00:31:49.598
And I know that there is usually like it is very common for people in journalism to end up, you know, going into writing or the development side of entertainment, which is usually what had always been my goal.

00:31:50.140 --> 00:31:58.231
And so I already like went into this company, like letting them know, like, hey, I'm here one day.

00:31:58.291 --> 00:31:59.513
I do want to go back.

00:31:59.693 --> 00:32:02.317
But at the same time, like that doesn't seem realistic.

00:32:02.753 --> 00:32:08.460
For a really long time, especially I have no money, you know, I'm like, so I'm here, I'm willing to work with them.

00:32:08.500 --> 00:32:17.349
And honestly, I'm the kind of person that like, once you hire me, and I start working for you, like I will give you like my all right.

00:32:17.809 --> 00:32:28.942
But along the way, just with everything that I have gone through in my very short 29 years, I had learned just how quickly like you said, you know, you can work for a company and give them your all.

00:32:29.383 --> 00:32:32.246
And at the end of the day, they're just gonna toss you out, right?

00:32:32.546 --> 00:32:43.185
And I'm coming back from like a leave of absence from working with like a big corporation that gave me PTSD for other reasons.

00:32:43.946 --> 00:32:53.904
And I am slowly making my way back into like the workforce and the work, you know, because I did take a leave of absence that was a while.

00:32:54.465 --> 00:32:58.894
And so I'm back and feeling like, okay, bartending is probably okay right now.

00:32:58.953 --> 00:33:02.441
This is a good slow pace to get my foot back into the door.

00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:07.810
They along the way are like, yes, help us with their marketing.

00:33:07.871 --> 00:33:08.612
And I'm like, sure.

00:33:08.632 --> 00:33:15.585
So it gets a little tricky because I would say that I still don't really know my worth, you know?

00:33:16.205 --> 00:33:24.911
And so when it came down to being like, okay, they're asking for pictures of an example of my work to see how they were like and everything.

00:33:25.051 --> 00:33:29.827
And eventually I get down and I'm sitting with the business manager and they're like, okay, how can you help?

00:33:29.907 --> 00:34:58.891
And I'm presenting this thing but as I'm talking to them I'm starting to notice that it's being framed like I'm the one coming up to them and asking can I help you when in reality it was the head brewer and the bar manager that were like asking me for help like we don't they were the ones that were complaining about their current social media manager I didn't want to overstep because I'm like hey she's the social media manager this is her job you know like she should be the one doing all of this so I feel like when I came in I ended up just becoming like more of a consultant and being like actually well this and this and this and this is how I feel this could work they you know I first loved it and were same thing oh my god you are amazing you're the best blah blah blah like I was being praised and then I don't know what happened like I just went into like a functional like freeze or like I don't know if it was imposter syndrome or something but eventually like I just couldn't like like it's not that I couldn't do my work but I had realized like oh my god I don't know if my partnership with this brewery is going to work out because the head brewer and I think very very differently especially when it comes to content and so he's a little much older different generation and I'm a millennial which I want to say is like perfect for right now but like we were not seeing eye to eye with certain things.

00:34:59.032 --> 00:34:59.293
Right.

00:34:59.333 --> 00:35:02.074
And I was like, okay, this is going to get a little messy.

00:35:02.876 --> 00:35:09.722
Um, and I was already kind of afraid to be working with him just based on the way he was talking about his social, the current social media manager.

00:35:09.782 --> 00:35:19.092
I was like, okay, this is going to be a person that like, I really have to like, gonna have to work extra hard and please, because he's not gonna, he's gonna be very picky about the work and everything.

00:35:19.291 --> 00:35:21.574
And so maybe I oversaw the entire situation.

00:35:21.594 --> 00:35:23.795
Um, I can admit that.

00:35:24.117 --> 00:35:26.630
And so then, um, We're working.

00:35:26.731 --> 00:35:37.829
And then along the way, I'm noticing, like, okay, so one way that I realized, I don't know if we're going to, like, DIY any content was, for example, Super Bowl.

00:35:38.469 --> 00:35:45.420
I wanted to do something with, like, our$3 beers that we had and use some sort of, like, Hendrick Lamar.

00:35:45.541 --> 00:35:49.588
Because at that time, what was trending during the Super Bowl was the Not Like Us thing.

00:35:49.608 --> 00:35:52.132
So I was like, ooh, that would be, like, a nice sound or something.

00:35:52.172 --> 00:35:53.534
But then I was like, hmm.

00:35:53.793 --> 00:35:57.240
Maybe not because this is not the crowd that actually likes Kendrick Lamar.

00:35:57.260 --> 00:36:00.246
I've heard them talk, you know?

00:36:00.266 --> 00:36:10.867
And then as I'm, like, hearing them talk and trying to create more ideas, I'm like, oh, this is not working because I don't appeal to the white audience.

00:36:10.967 --> 00:36:12.469
You know, like, I'm not...

00:36:12.865 --> 00:36:13.806
Like, I don't know.

00:36:13.847 --> 00:36:17.773
So now I'm realizing that I'm finding my niche as something completely different.

00:36:17.813 --> 00:36:27.786
Like I'm finding my niche in either like the strategy part of the consulting part, but like, I'm like, okay, I like, I'm basically in this process, like finding what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.

00:36:27.885 --> 00:36:28.106
Right.

00:36:28.467 --> 00:36:30.650
And I am trying to communicate with the business manager.

00:36:30.710 --> 00:36:40.623
Like, Hey, I'm really sorry that like, if this isn't, if I'm not doing a good job or if this and that, and for the most part, they'd be like, yes, or don't worry about it.

00:36:40.724 --> 00:36:41.545
Or like, you're doing great.

00:36:41.625 --> 00:36:44.059
And I'm like, Okay, maybe I'm just overthinking.

00:36:45.322 --> 00:36:51.311
So it gets to the point where there's three beers where the head brewer names them.

00:36:51.331 --> 00:36:54.757
And it's just problem after problem.

00:36:55.038 --> 00:36:58.402
And one of them, I didn't even, I wasn't even that, I didn't even cause that problem.

00:36:58.764 --> 00:37:05.815
One of them was the name of the beer that he was making for February.

00:37:05.835 --> 00:37:08.800
It was like a, it was called Cherry Poppin' Daddies.

00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:12.543
It was like some sort of like, Very sour goes the beer, right?

00:37:13.405 --> 00:37:17.789
And see, this is where like I, it was my first, that was my first kind of like beer project.

00:37:17.829 --> 00:37:20.112
So I didn't even catch the name, right?

00:37:20.411 --> 00:37:24.835
I just went straight to like, okay, let's just start like filming and doing content for it.00:37:24.876 --> 00:37:31.603


And then somebody, somebody else who used to work with us was like, hey, that name, probably you should take it down.00:37:31.702 --> 00:37:32.983


This person, by the way, is white.00:37:33.023 --> 00:37:39.230


And I have to say this because I just feel like the bar was really emphasizing on how I was this like woke, liberal person.00:37:39.425 --> 00:37:39.987


Mexican.00:37:40.007 --> 00:37:41.690


I was like, no.00:37:43.112 --> 00:37:47.740


This girl is like, hey, maybe we should change the name of the beer.00:37:48.161 --> 00:37:49.644


And so they're like, yeah, you're right.00:37:49.684 --> 00:37:50.746


We should change the name of the beer.00:37:50.947 --> 00:37:51.969


So I'm like, okay, cool.00:37:52.469 --> 00:37:56.016


Then the next beer is like a softball themed beer.00:37:56.157 --> 00:38:03.773


And the brewer names it after a saying from a near nurse, like spokesperson or something.00:38:03.813 --> 00:38:04.014


Right.00:38:04.394 --> 00:38:09.581


And then they're telling me like, oh, we want original audio for this content, blah, blah, blah.00:38:09.601 --> 00:38:13.067


And I'm like, okay, well, there's going to be like legal issues, copyright issues.00:38:13.126 --> 00:38:18.355


So let me at least make sure that we get some sort of like permission or something.00:38:18.394 --> 00:38:18.614


Right.00:38:19.356 --> 00:38:19.777


I don't know.00:38:19.896 --> 00:38:21.940


I'm also like overthinking this entire thing.00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:28.228


And so then I just send out like a quick permission to use content, email, whatever, just to make sure that we're good.00:38:28.268 --> 00:38:28.989


Right.00:38:29.282 --> 00:38:34.429


And then I walk into work and the head brewer and all of his friends are like standing there.00:38:34.469 --> 00:38:37.413


And the head brewer like basically is like, I don't think you should have done that.00:38:37.432 --> 00:38:39.315


We're going to get a season to season letter.00:38:39.355 --> 00:38:41.898


And now we're not going to be able to promote it.00:38:42.278 --> 00:38:43.320


And I'm like, okay.00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:45.702


And I'm already not doing well.00:38:45.782 --> 00:38:50.088


So I started like bawling my eyes out because I'm like, I don't know what to do.00:38:50.168 --> 00:39:14.313


I feel like if I, do my job then they're like you're doing too much but then if i don't do my job then they're telling me you're not doing enough and honestly i'm not getting like paid any extra for this i'm just i just ended up going with the negotiation of like 18 hours and hours because i felt like i was entry level when it came to content creating so i was like sure you know um Eventually, I was like, you know what?00:39:14.572 --> 00:39:17.197


I felt very embarrassed in the situation.00:39:17.237 --> 00:39:21.322


I don't even know if I really want to work with you guys at this point, but I'm still going to push it.00:39:21.903 --> 00:39:22.945


I'm still going to try.00:39:23.286 --> 00:39:27.411


Their next beer release is a Cinco de Mayo beer, right?00:39:27.711 --> 00:39:29.594


And I'm like, this is so exciting.00:39:29.635 --> 00:39:30.737


This is my time to shine.00:39:30.757 --> 00:39:31.498


I am Mexican.00:39:31.518 --> 00:39:32.378


I am from Puebla.00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:34.422


We could do something super fun with it.00:39:34.461 --> 00:39:38.668


The head brewer is like, yeah, except it's not really a Mexican beer.00:39:38.708 --> 00:39:41.992


It's got Canadian hops, New Zealand hops.00:39:42.594 --> 00:40:09.469


um and I'm like okay so what what we're gonna have to make fun of this because in my head it's like kind of ironic because like Canada is all about like French and Mexico and Puebla and I'm like this is kind of funny like we should probably make fun of it they didn't like that and I was like you guys have to learn how to make fun of yourself at one point and I was they were like no like they basically felt like I was calling them like you know, these racist people.00:40:09.489 --> 00:40:11.371


And I'm like, well, if you're not, then you're not.00:40:11.632 --> 00:40:23.710


But along the way in the process, I had been telling, like, I didn't want to tell guests my status, but when we were getting into deep conversations or they like, they would be like, no, like, why weren't, why aren't you traveling?00:40:23.730 --> 00:40:24.512


I'm like, well, this is it.00:40:24.572 --> 00:40:32.182


And if I felt comfortable enough to like talk to them, I'm like, okay, this is somebody who I can like, she could probably help me in the future or something if needed.00:40:32.222 --> 00:40:32.704


I don't know.00:40:33.125 --> 00:40:37.733


But, um, It turned into a disaster.00:40:37.893 --> 00:40:53.275


Eventually, some of the bar manager's friends and the head brewer's friends would try to come in and intimidate me or question me more about my status that it made me feel like, ooh, okay, maybe I made a mistake or something in the wrong crowd here.00:40:53.355 --> 00:40:54.597


I learned my lesson for sure.00:40:55.117 --> 00:40:56.539


But it just turned into a whole mess.00:40:56.579 --> 00:41:03.528


And then when it came down to the Cinco de Mayo beer, I was just like, what's up, guys?00:41:03.688 --> 00:41:04.070


I get it.00:41:05.057 --> 00:41:06.760


you guys want to market this beer and we can do it.00:41:06.860 --> 00:41:09.161


But if we're going to do it, I think that this is how we can do it.00:41:09.282 --> 00:41:10.242


I think it'd be really fun.00:41:10.563 --> 00:41:11.864


And they didn't like it.00:41:12.105 --> 00:41:14.327


And we're like, no, we're not.00:41:14.427 --> 00:41:18.050


And then after that, everything just kind of went downhill.00:41:18.090 --> 00:41:24.137


Like I could just tell that the tensions were there and that we weren't clashing based off like, like brand.00:41:24.157 --> 00:41:26.780


Like they just felt like I was just too political for them.00:41:27.179 --> 00:41:30.844


And in my head, I was like, well, this beer was also accidentally political.00:41:30.864 --> 00:42:23.731


So I do feel like this, this year and also Cinco de Mayo is like very serious to me right now because during this Trump era like what the heck it's just a lot and so eventually I we've just been going back and forth on a lot of things and I went on a trip I came back and then they were like oh yeah you just didn't meet expectations we're gonna let you go which sucks because I had like a whole plan of like okay actually I realized I don't really want to work at the bar but I do want to do more things behind the scenes and I had a plan and a structure because they had two businesses and two spots and with the market research I was like wait I have something but never mind oh my god I'm sorry no you're good no but yeah that's that's insane and honestly like coming from a big company that's run by a lot of Older people.00:42:23.751 --> 00:42:26.494


It's a very common thing.00:42:26.534 --> 00:42:27.414


You're going to clash.00:42:27.456 --> 00:42:36.445


Like my, my former boss was Gen Z and she would always, and I would see those common, like overhear those conversations where she'd be like, no, we need to do this.00:42:36.485 --> 00:42:37.588


And they'd fight her back.00:42:37.608 --> 00:42:39.891


Be like, no, we don't want to do this because of X, Y, Z.00:42:39.931 --> 00:42:46.157


And it's like, okay, we're the ones with the experience and you're not wanting to listen.00:42:46.197 --> 00:42:52.565


And then when we do things your way and they fail, you get upset at the marketing girls.00:42:53.121 --> 00:42:53.481


Yeah.00:42:53.922 --> 00:42:55.844


Marketing is changing.00:42:55.965 --> 00:42:59.248


And I understand that you guys don't want certain things pushed on that.00:42:59.349 --> 00:42:59.909


Or I get it.00:43:00.170 --> 00:43:02.632


You're like, well, we're just an older generation.00:43:02.652 --> 00:43:03.893


We're not going to look into it.00:43:03.914 --> 00:43:05.876


And I'm like, yeah, I understand that.00:43:05.976 --> 00:43:10.561


So let me work with you guys for a little more while I try to figure out a way to get this as well.00:43:11.001 --> 00:43:13.603


I think they think it's so simple as a post.00:43:14.005 --> 00:43:14.585


Just post it.00:43:14.885 --> 00:43:15.465


Just do this.00:43:15.927 --> 00:43:16.467


Just do that.00:43:16.588 --> 00:43:18.929


And then they wonder, well, why isn't the strategy working?00:43:19.170 --> 00:43:20.532


Why isn't the sales going up?00:43:20.891 --> 00:43:21.893


And I'm like, well, because...00:43:22.626 --> 00:43:25.047


And I'm seeing them do this mistake already.00:43:26.929 --> 00:43:38.762


By the way, after they decided, like, oh, let's just embarrass her and tell her that it was a bad idea to reach out to the Mariners, they ended up scoring a deal with the Mariners anyways for them to, like, brew a beer with their pitcher.00:43:38.782 --> 00:43:40.103


I meant to say catcher.00:43:40.884 --> 00:43:44.288


So I was like, all of that, you guys were stressed out.00:43:44.307 --> 00:43:45.748


We literally fought all of that.00:43:45.929 --> 00:43:49.373


And then you guys end up with this contract.00:43:49.472 --> 00:43:50.574


And then you fire me.00:43:51.266 --> 00:43:54.309


When you guys signed the contract because I don't fit your image.00:43:54.409 --> 00:43:54.849


Allegedly.00:43:55.190 --> 00:44:11.347


I know you guys told me that it was because I didn't fit expectations, but the day before they let me go, I was listening to the head brewer talking about how he was looking to hire people and how he was looking to hire people that fit more of his imagery and stuff for the brewery.00:44:11.588 --> 00:44:12.028


Allegedly.00:44:12.349 --> 00:44:16.653


And that was kind of the thing that would piss me off about the head brewer because I'm like, this isn't your...00:44:17.250 --> 00:44:18.855


This is not your brewery.00:44:18.894 --> 00:44:21.864


You are the head brewer, but you do not own this place, you know?00:44:21.884 --> 00:45:25.670


And also, reviews say that your beer sucks and that people only come here for the people I was people so you know and so I don't know what to tell you but at the same time I was like very happy because I was I could just feel myself like my creativity like draining and just being like oh my god this girl I'm not understanding they think art is one thing and they don't they think oh my god she's being so political but like literally sports is political art is political music is political and having a fucking fight with them on touch tunes all the time over like music oh I don't like your music so I'm just gonna and that's like not even with me it was just with other guests too and it's like just let them enjoy their music too like oh my god they're paying for this and like you guys are just I can go on and on and then there's more but it's like I don't know my other question with you is like are you and I know we only have 10 minutes right now but like do you feel frustrated with like journalism and influence right now?00:45:25.751 --> 00:45:28.414


What are all your thoughts with all of that right now?00:45:29.134 --> 00:45:30.896


I have a lot of thoughts on that, actually.00:45:31.335 --> 00:45:39.864


Okay, first of all, the whole Trump administration being like, we're going to open up the space to influencers to come and be the ones asking the questions.00:45:40.846 --> 00:45:51.157


Again, no shade onto the influencers like you do, Yubu, but these are people who get paid to promote a product and say it's my favorite and it's good.00:45:51.177 --> 00:45:56.768


And There's no objectivity in that, in my opinion.00:45:56.807 --> 00:46:03.405


They don't have the necessary skills to verify facts, which is something that's very embedded to us as journalists.00:46:04.168 --> 00:46:05.030


You have to verify.00:46:05.210 --> 00:46:06.014


You can't just take...00:46:06.306 --> 00:46:08.228


everything at face value and assume it's right.00:46:08.288 --> 00:46:10.010


You have to do your research and make sure.00:46:10.471 --> 00:46:17.318


So it's like I personally, like, yes, influencers are great for like product marketing, for experiences, you know, to promote.00:46:17.338 --> 00:46:20.744


Like as an advertisement source, they're amazing.00:46:20.784 --> 00:46:22.585


They got their stuff down.00:46:22.646 --> 00:46:24.007


Like kudos to them.00:46:24.088 --> 00:46:26.110


Like they put a lot of effort into their work.00:46:26.650 --> 00:46:30.195


As journalists, I think that they should be kept separate.00:46:31.016 --> 00:46:31.757


And I get it.00:46:31.777 --> 00:46:34.099


They're like, oh, well, we're trying to like appeal to the younger audience.00:46:34.561 --> 00:46:35.561


Okay, that can be...00:46:35.873 --> 00:46:36.695


Simply done.00:46:36.914 --> 00:46:41.860


Just hire newer people in all of these news agencies.00:46:43.262 --> 00:46:50.570


You don't necessarily have to source from influencers, but they're a lot easier to manipulate than journalists ever will be.00:46:50.590 --> 00:46:53.153


So that's where I stand on that.00:46:53.193 --> 00:46:58.679


And again, influencers are great for advertisement, for marketing, things like that.00:46:59.161 --> 00:46:59.681


Amazing.00:47:00.161 --> 00:47:07.331


But as far as hardcore news goes, especially during this time, I do think that they don't really have a place.00:47:07.851 --> 00:47:11.596


If they came from a journalist background, great.00:47:12.097 --> 00:47:13.778


Yeah, by all means.00:47:13.838 --> 00:47:18.344


I know at least one influencer who works for the New York Times.00:47:18.664 --> 00:47:19.264


She does both.00:47:19.385 --> 00:47:21.407


She does the New York Times and then she does her influencer stuff.00:47:21.807 --> 00:47:22.028


Her?00:47:22.289 --> 00:47:22.648


Great.00:47:22.728 --> 00:47:23.771


She has the background.00:47:23.831 --> 00:47:26.052


She has a track record of being able to produce...00:47:26.626 --> 00:47:51.949


accurate stories so it's just like you can't let everybody in there just because they have a following yeah no I agree especially because so one of the another influencer I feel like has done a great job at like when he started off he was more of a comedian influencer and then actually took the time to get some sort of journalism degree background certificate oh my god Shay you Guerrero Guevara?00:47:51.969 --> 00:47:53.134


Yeah, I love him.00:47:53.173 --> 00:47:57.068


Yes, he, that's why I really follow him.00:47:57.108 --> 00:48:11.349


And I only say this because I've seen, especially here in Seattle, other, like, Seattle content creators that are getting bigger here, especially in the Lyme community, who, and I love that, are announcing where the protests are happening, where it's going to happen, and all of this.00:48:12.070 --> 00:48:18.335


And then some people in the comments would be like, oh my god, you're doing the great journalism work, and it's like, okay, but you're not out there.00:48:18.436 --> 00:48:21.059


And I know because I saw them when I was at the protest.00:48:21.458 --> 00:48:23.121


Actually, why was I not TMZ?00:48:23.141 --> 00:48:24.822


I swear to God, because I have the perfect video.00:48:25.141 --> 00:49:10.936


But I was at the protest, and somebody screamed out the influencer's name, and the influencer was just at the corner like kind of like just like killing and everybody was like dude like you're on here saying like oh come on here come on here and you weren't even like protesting with us in my head I was like okay I know he's probably at work he did say he had like a nine to five but that's where I'm coming in where I'm saying like the influencers are just announcing and I'm just going and taking the content and then posting it whereas the reporters are like okay let me interview this person let me go here let me try to see that And it's like, there's a little more extra work that goes into it than just this is where it's going to be and this is the stuff.00:49:11.597 --> 00:49:17.047


And it's like, I actually do appreciate that all of that is happening and that you guys are doing that.00:49:17.427 --> 00:49:20.615


But that does not someone enough to be like, I'm a journalist.00:49:21.376 --> 00:49:21.657


You know?00:49:21.697 --> 00:49:30.987


And even I have a hard time being like, I'm a journalist because I'm like, I still have so much fortune that I need to be doing, you know, to consider myself a journalist.00:49:31.367 --> 00:49:39.137


But it's just, it's such a weird time to be a content creator and a journalist.00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:46.485


Yeah, no, it's, again, I think we all have a place that we can fit into.00:49:46.849 --> 00:49:48.492


Like, that's not the problem.00:49:48.512 --> 00:49:56.204


Like, yeah, influencers are great for dispersing information because they have a much larger social following than most journalists do.00:49:57.347 --> 00:50:06.061


But again, their reach is only, or the facts of their, if they're facts, the information that they're spreading is only so much.00:50:06.762 --> 00:50:09.106


You still need somebody to go in there and, like, talk to them.00:50:09.146 --> 00:50:12.512


Like, you know, you've seen in LA how it's been for the past week.00:50:13.614 --> 00:50:13.693


Yeah.00:50:14.177 --> 00:50:19.726


I had a while back, I had the pleasure to meet with, what's her name?00:50:19.907 --> 00:50:20.789


Carmen Marquez.00:50:21.108 --> 00:50:24.193


She used to be a Telemundo journalist, so now she's independent.00:50:24.875 --> 00:50:25.675


She's been out there.00:50:26.117 --> 00:50:36.753


She has been out there with another person, and her producer actually got shot by a rubber bullet while they were just recording, and she has a press pass.00:50:36.773 --> 00:50:40.659


She shows that she's part of the press, even as an independent journalist.00:50:41.954 --> 00:50:48.822


So those are the people that are actually being out there, putting their lives, honestly, at danger because things can go wrong really, really quickly.00:50:48.842 --> 00:50:55.791


And actually gathering the facts and trying to speak not just to the protesters, but you also have to get the other side of the story.00:50:56.271 --> 00:50:59.235


Try to talk to the agents if they want to share their thoughts.00:50:59.356 --> 00:51:00.637


They might not want to share their thoughts.00:51:01.538 --> 00:51:04.061


So it's like we all have a place that we can fit into.00:51:04.121 --> 00:51:07.224


It's just like you've got to find where you fit.00:51:07.945 --> 00:51:09.108


Yeah, that's right.00:51:09.128 --> 00:51:10.630


And then maybe...00:51:11.842 --> 00:51:16.507


right now would be a good time for us to work together and not try to pin each other.00:51:16.907 --> 00:51:22.494


That's what I'm seeing a lot on TikTok and that's why I have to leave and be like, you know what, I can't read these comments.00:51:22.574 --> 00:51:27.259


Now can I look at these right now because it's frustrating.00:51:28.179 --> 00:51:30.943


That's exactly what this administration wants.00:51:30.983 --> 00:51:34.387


They want that divide between every single community.00:51:34.427 --> 00:51:37.329


It's not just between brown and black people.00:51:37.389 --> 00:51:44.737


It's between everybody because if we're united, We're unstoppable because at the end of the day, a lot of us are facing the same thing.00:51:44.777 --> 00:51:47.579


They love to say like, well, this immigrant took your job.00:51:47.619 --> 00:51:52.664


When in reality, it's like, no, this massive corporation wants to underpay someone.00:51:53.045 --> 00:51:58.130


You're not going to want to get underpaid as a citizen because you know you're supposed to pay more.00:51:58.170 --> 00:51:59.190


So what do they do?00:51:59.231 --> 00:52:03.556


They go and pick somebody else out of wherever that doesn't have their papers.00:52:03.615 --> 00:52:05.237


And then they're like, hey, do you want to do this for$7?00:52:05.356 --> 00:52:07.639


And they'll be like, yeah.00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:08.159


Why?00:52:08.199 --> 00:52:09.081


Because they need the money.00:52:09.201 --> 00:52:15.541


So Honestly, at this point, everything from content to working is political.00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:25.652


And if I were to think of something, it would be really hard for me to work with someone currently that's okay with the situation that we have going on.00:52:26.333 --> 00:52:28.556


I think that this is not a moment to stay quiet.00:52:28.596 --> 00:52:29.777


I think this is a moment to speak up.00:52:29.958 --> 00:52:34.043


And if that breaks working relationships, then you know what?00:52:34.063 --> 00:52:34.682


I'm not even sorry.00:52:34.923 --> 00:52:35.483


So be it.00:52:36.045 --> 00:52:36.585


Because...00:52:37.922 --> 00:52:40.885


As you mentioned the brewery, I would not take them on a client.00:52:40.985 --> 00:52:42.827


I think I would have realized and be like, you know what?00:52:42.887 --> 00:52:45.291


It's not that I'm not a fit for you.00:52:45.371 --> 00:52:46.512


It's that you're not a fit for me.00:52:47.052 --> 00:52:48.534


Your values don't align with mine.00:52:48.634 --> 00:52:54.460


And I literally, honestly, I said that to the social media manager when we were getting into it.00:52:54.541 --> 00:52:55.983


I was like, don't even worry about it, girl.00:52:56.384 --> 00:52:58.065


You're got like the company's values.00:52:58.106 --> 00:52:59.387


They don't even align with me.00:52:59.427 --> 00:53:04.672


You got like, I, it's too, it's too, honestly, it was so perfect.00:53:04.713 --> 00:53:17.556


It was like, That brewery was just the perfect embodiment of like how America works and how they like to pin Latinos against each other because it just so happened in the social media was manager was also Latina.00:53:17.655 --> 00:53:19.038


And then we got into it.00:53:19.057 --> 00:53:20.621


And then I was like, hold on this.00:53:20.840 --> 00:53:23.143


I can't allow this to happen because I know what's happening.00:53:23.184 --> 00:53:25.268


And it's the white man that's trying to make us fight.00:53:26.028 --> 00:53:27.210


And it should not be like that.00:53:27.251 --> 00:53:35.139


And yeah, I mean, it was just, yeah, because no, I, what I was expecting is for the company to be like, okay, this is what we're going to do.00:53:35.179 --> 00:53:37.724


This is what we want to offer you for your work at least.00:53:38.304 --> 00:53:40.367


And then we can start the negotiation instead.00:53:40.407 --> 00:53:42.070


It was like, I sure.00:53:42.150 --> 00:53:42.612


I don't know.00:53:42.871 --> 00:53:44.715


I feel new.00:53:45.195 --> 00:53:47.920


I'll just take like hourly right now.00:53:48.081 --> 00:53:48.501


I don't know.00:53:48.521 --> 00:53:49.623


That's on me.00:53:49.643 --> 00:53:50.985


I've definitely learned.00:53:51.065 --> 00:54:23.166


And now I'm going to be like much better on negotiating and much better at like all of this because yeah like I don't ever want to feel like that anymore like being an underpaid like I think that's why I was getting so frustrated we have almost three minutes let me just do a few last words just to you but to anybody that's out there like thinking like am I in the wrong for having my opinions no you're not in the wrong for having your opinions you're going to clash with people and you know what unfortunately speaking out against I'm just going to call it the man because, you know, since we're being called woke.00:54:23.867 --> 00:54:26.211


Speaking out against the man will get you in trouble.00:54:26.391 --> 00:54:27.393


It will get you fired.00:54:28.175 --> 00:54:31.139


People love saying, oh, we love employees that speak up.00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:32.041


They don't.00:54:33.081 --> 00:54:34.483


For the most part, they don't.00:54:34.543 --> 00:54:37.809


They want somebody who's going to be submissive and quiet and okay with whatever they're doing.00:54:38.657 --> 00:54:42.402


That is not either of our personalities from what I've seen.00:54:42.422 --> 00:54:43.443


We didn't go into realism for that.00:54:43.663 --> 00:54:45.864


We didn't go into realism for that.00:54:45.885 --> 00:54:50.268


It's like I am going to be loud and I am going to ask those questions that are going to make you uncomfortable.00:54:50.309 --> 00:54:58.737


And if, you know, being fired is, you know, what ends up the consequences of my actions, as people like to call it, then you know what?00:54:58.757 --> 00:54:59.318


So be it.00:54:59.398 --> 00:55:05.023


Because at the end of the day, I can be at peace with saying I try to stand up for myself and do better for myself.00:55:05.463 --> 00:55:07.106


And they just didn't want to see that happen.00:55:07.650 --> 00:55:11.777


And if that's, if that's how they want to feel and they want to let me go, you know, cool.00:55:11.976 --> 00:55:16.784


But I do don't, I don't appreciate them following me on my LinkedIn over and over and over again.00:55:16.824 --> 00:55:17.786


Cause it's like, get a life.00:55:18.286 --> 00:55:18.788


Yeah.00:55:18.927 --> 00:55:19.929


You already let me go.00:55:20.050 --> 00:55:21.632


So those are my final thoughts.00:55:21.692 --> 00:55:22.634


Leave me alone.00:55:22.673 --> 00:55:29.684


I will be taking my ideas to a new brewery who I know will have fun listening to it because I've met other people and they like my ideas.00:55:29.824 --> 00:55:30.045


So.00:55:31.202 --> 00:55:34.085


And reach out to that team, the mariners, whoever.00:55:34.125 --> 00:55:37.068


Like, if you already have their contact information, that's really all you need.00:55:37.128 --> 00:55:39.690


Be like, hey, you know, like, I'm doing marketing stuff, blah, blah, blah.00:55:39.710 --> 00:55:40.791


Just connect with him.00:55:40.851 --> 00:55:45.757


And even if it's not for them, if he can get you connected with somebody else, like, that's literally how it starts.00:55:46.077 --> 00:55:47.038


Yeah, it's just a team.00:55:47.778 --> 00:55:51.523


So, you know, good luck to you because you deserve a lot better than that place.00:55:51.862 --> 00:55:52.483


So do you.00:55:52.523 --> 00:55:57.329


And I'm honestly so excited for us because who she was dealing with, they were big.00:55:57.429 --> 00:55:58.269


And trust me, they're big.00:55:59.041 --> 00:56:02.789


Yeah, we're not going to say the name because I don't want to get another cease and desist.00:56:02.809 --> 00:56:03.871


I already know we won't.00:56:03.891 --> 00:56:05.974


But they were big.00:56:09.402 --> 00:56:09.661


Yeah.00:56:09.882 --> 00:56:11.264


So thank you.00:56:11.565 --> 00:56:13.610


And I'll see you soon.00:56:13.670 --> 00:56:14.851


And thank you for picking me up at the airport.00:56:15.413 --> 00:56:15.634


All right.00:56:15.954 --> 00:56:16.635


No problem.00:56:16.655 --> 00:56:16.755


Bye.00:56:17.177 --> 00:56:17.677


I love you.00:56:17.697 --> 00:56:17.757


Bye.